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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Jan 22, 2009 5:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Abundance of caution

I see the President just got sworn in again. He sure likes swearing on the Bible.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 22, 2009 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bible swearing trivia

Apparently it was Washington who added the so help me God thing

Question - who was the ONE President who refused to say so help me God?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Jan 22, 2009 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bible swearing trivia

It was probably John Quincy Adams he used a book of law instead of the bible. His great grandson Grizzly was a bear activists.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 22, 2009 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bible swearing trivia

Is that true about the book of law? His dad was awful religious ( awful religious, kind of goes together ). That's a GREAT idea, that's what they should do.

No, according to what I heard it was Teddy Roosevelt who decided he wasn't going to say the last word. You can't get away with that sh*t anymore. At least Obama included non believers in his speech.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Jan 22, 2009 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bible swearing trivia

Well as a nonbeliever who's faith in unbelief is strong, I think these whining atheists give us pessimistic realists a bad name. Who the fuck cares what some lying politician says anyway? Who cares if there's a plastic baby jesus on the courtyard. Does it really bother people that much?

Their 'faith' must be weak and full of doubts if another's bothers them, especially the majority faith of the who country. I don't get it. God doesn't hurt people, over zealous religion does and that's man made. Blame the assholes and leave plastic baby jesus in his manger and everyone is happy, jesus...

Now when you fuck with the 4th of july, we got problems...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Jan 22, 2009 11:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bible swearing trivia FACTCHART

Here is breakdown of who did what when...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_inaugurations

The great O got two, one for the cameras and another for the lawyers who were watching the first one...

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Jan 22, 2009 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bible swearing trivia

Was it George W who said, " So help me Dad." ?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 22, 2009 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bible swearing trivia

Did George Washington really say "So help me God"?
Tuesday, October 23, 2007

by Ray Soller

In your Commentary entitled JUST WHOSE AMERICA IS THIS, ANYWAY?, among the many hyper-extended sentences, I happened to read the following:

". . . I also noted that "The Constitution of the United States never once mentions God, not even in its Preamble (though a number of State Constitutions, in their respective Preambles, cite gratitude to "Almighty God" or "the Supreme Being" for "blessings" such as "Liberty")." A fair number of my fellow Americans, I dare say, don't even realize that the four words "so help me God" it has become traditional, ever since George Washington himself first used them, to append to the Oath of Office for President of the United States are not at all actually part of that Oath as spelled out in Article II, Section 1, clause 8 of that document."
Even though many people may think "So help me God" is part of the presidential oath, and in spite of the widespread notion to the contrary, there is no contemporary historical evidence showing that George Washington added anything to his presidential oath of office. This American legend made its debut in 1854, sixty-five years after the event, in the book, "The Republican Court; or, American Society in the Days of Washington," by Rufus W. Griswold. Griswold may have picked up this bit about George Washington saying "so help me God" from Washington Irving. However, neither of them ever disclose just how they came by their version of Washington's oath.

As far as can be determined, the first President who is known to have added those words to his presidential oath is Chester Alan Arthur. He appended "so help me God" to his oath when he was sworn into office on Sept. 22, 1881 after the death of President Garfield. Later on, several other Presidents during the first third of the 20th Century adopted this practice. The last President, who did not use those words, was Herbert Hoover. One may say that a President can choose to add these words to the presidential oath, but it is a clear violation of the Constitution, and surely not a good idea for a judicial official to prompt the President to succumb to a religious test of office. This, unfortunately, has been the unbroken practice since FDR's Inaugural Ceremony in 1933, and there is absolutely no early record that this practice started with George Washington.

A customary place for a President to acknowledge God's role in our national affairs is in the Inaugural Address. Indeed all Presidents, with one exception, have done so. Washington's second Inaugural Ceremony, in contrast to his first (where Chancellor Livingston, a fellow Mason, most likely, requested a Bible; where Madison drafted Washington's Inaugural Address; and where Congress laid out the concluding church service), was one which Washington managed completely. There was no planned church service, or official prayer. Furthermore, there were no reports of a Bible being present, or Washington saying, "So help me God."

The practice of adding "So help me God" to federal oaths outside of the courtroom began in 1862 with the Iron-clad Test Oath during the Civil War. It was supposed to keep Confederate sympathizers from participating in the Federal Government. It may well have been a counter-measure designed to offset the psychological impact that followed when Jefferson Davis repeated "So help me God" as he took his oath of office as President of the Confederacy. It wasn't until President Arthur's administration that the federal oath was restored to a degree of normalcy, and stripped of its designed Civil War anti-Confederate hostilities. As you probably are well aware, Congress preferred to retain the "So help me God" anomaly.

The notion that George Washington, as the President of the Constitutional Convention, would, at any subsequent time, disregard the concerted effort of the convention delegates and unilaterally amend the presidential oath is an unsubstantiated Orwellian legend.

Two very contrasting videos about whether GW said SHMG can be seen on the internet. The first is a short musical ballad, "'So help me God' - he didn't say it," sung by Michael Newdow that can be accessed on his website http://www.restorethepledge.com/video/. The second video is sponsored by the Senate Historians Office under the direction of the Senate Rule Committee, and a video icon, "'So Help Me God"' A historical look at the Inaugural Ceremonies 1789-2005," for it can be found in the lower right hand corner on their website http://inaugural.senate.gov/history/factsandfirsts/index.htm. (You only have to view the first two or three minutes of either video to get their message.)

Ray Soller
Duluth, GA
rxs at alum dot mit dot edu


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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 22, 2009 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: bible swearing trivia

That makes sense to me. I guess I heard wrong. Is the Teddy Roosevelt part wrong too I guess?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 22, 2009 6:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Abundance of caution

no bible for the second swearing, sorry.

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 22, 2009 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Abundance of caution

Does it still count without a bible ? I hear the sound of conspiracists revving up.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 22, 2009 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Abundance of caution

Yes and most constitutional scholars believe that the first one was fine even though the words got a little jumbled. The President apparently does not actually have to take the oath to become president. He became president at 12 noon. As for the conspiracy theorist they were already out and giving a fair and balanced view of it. The talking heads at Fox News Network were questioning whether Obama was in fact president because of the first oath.

Steven Colbert agrees and has determined who the president actually is:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/216593/january-21-2009/president-yo-yo-ma

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 22, 2009 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Abundance of caution

Plenty here, though this Aud is rather tough to enjoy. I believe this is the perfomance on the Fillmore bonus disc? Is this Mike Lai file an upgrade over the Cotsman?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-06-14.aud.lai.3897.sbefail.shnf

More split Cautions?

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Poster: WHARFRAT Date: Jan 22, 2009 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Abundance of caution

caution main ten caution here :
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-11-08.sbd.wise.82.sbeok.shnf
ooops it's a DP! my bad.

This post was modified by WHARFRAT on 2009-01-22 14:37:29

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Poster: spring mountain high Date: Jan 22, 2009 9:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Abundance of caution

'caution' is a blatant ripoff of the theme to 'courageous cat and minute mouse'

just goes to show that watching cartoons stoned can have a profound effect

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Poster: Bassy Twang Date: Jan 22, 2009 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Abundance of caution

work on it Wharfy

http://www.printactivities.com/Mazes/Shape_Mazes/Alien-Maze.gif

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Poster: Rings&Bells Date: Jan 22, 2009 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Abundance of caution

Cliff, it is indeed on the Fillmore Bonus Disc. It also contains the end of Lovelight where it sort of turns into a hybrid between Lovelight and Caution with Wier singing "Bring it on up now" and Jerry doing the trademark Caution starter. Anyone know if the rest of the show is in the vault?